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Nueces De La Parra: Corpus Christi Watchdog Authority: When the District Attorney has questions and the SOS has cleared the Candidate to run, how can

2007-05-03T15:09:00.000-07:00

Corpus Christi Watchdog Authority: When the District Attorney has questions and the SOS has cleared the Candidate to run, how can there be criminal proceedings?

Whichever suits the interest of the "Pick and Choose" self dealers of Del Mar College. The voters made their choice; but it is not the choice of the "Pick and Choose" self dealers, so they whine. Always changing the rules in the middle of the process and calling it due process and they actually believe their own prevarication. It is requested that the AG attend the board meetings and closed sessions in the interest of Del Mar Taxpayers, Faculty and Student body as the AG did in the Kenedy Foundation debacle with Rene Gracida.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

"IN THE KNOW": Remember The Crime Stoppers "Vandalism" of the Corpus Christi Country Club Golf Coursehigh powered members who control our nation’s eco

2007-04-20T06:27:00.000-07:00

"IN THE KNOW": Remember The Crime Stoppers "Vandalism" of the Corpus Christi Country Club Golf Course? Were there not high powered CCCC members who control our nation’s economy & industry. This work of fiction written by Hal Bray set here in Corpus Christi; I just thought you guys might like it. BTW, cant find that particular Crime Stoppers announcement. They tore up the CCCC Golf Course. Who is they?

Kirt gets Harry's Goates and Ape left Wild

2006-10-01T00:27:00.000-07:00

MarkyDeSod
Posts: 24

Unexpected Racism
9/26/2006 10:51:07 PM

The global war on terror is turning out in some respects to be racism against Amercan WASPs in particular. Consider, for example, that the Muslims are not attacking Mexico, for example, and Mexico is mostly Christian too. If you look into the news closely you can spot quite a few of these anomalies - with only one consisten thread amongst them.

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curtis rock
Posts: 1036

Re: Unexpected Racism
9/27/2006 12:06:09 AM

What about Israel. Jews are not Protestant, but Islamic followers (Hezbollah) kidnapped 2 Israeli soldiers. Terrorism doesn''t discriminate against race, color, creed, sex, or national origin.

curmudgeon
Posts: 3195

Maybe . . .
9/27/2006 5:47:51 AM

. . . it is because Mexico didn''t invade a raghead country.

Wild Ape
Posts: 3596

Re: Maybe . . .
9/27/2006 6:01:05 AM

I don''t recall Spain or France invading Iraq. That doesn''t quite fit the bill now does it Curm?

kirt
Posts: 1548

Is this the onset of Alzheimer''s, Ape?
9/27/2006 6:26:25 AM

""I don''t recall Spain or France invading Iraq. That doesn''t quite fit the bill now does it Curm?"" - the Ape

In fact Spain did invade Iraq and the Spanish Prime Minister appeared quite prominently with Boy Bush and Boy Blair at the time of the invasion. I believe Spain also has troops in Afghanistan, as does France.

Wild Ape
Posts: 3596

Re: Is this the onset of Alzheimer''s, Ape?
9/28/2006 6:55:08 AM

I''m surprised the Punk Pope hasn''t sent in forces. He is still occupying Jerusalem isn''t he?

Denmark paratrooped in those nasty cartoons. I guess your right. They totally had it coming.

curmudgeon
Posts: 3195

Both Spain and France . . .
9/27/2006 7:39:07 AM

. . . are about 3,000 miles closer to the Middle East, have large Muslim populations and long histories of colonialism in the Middle East.

anasazicoyote
Posts: 723

Re: Unexpected Racism
9/27/2006 7:02:36 AM

spain pulled their troops after the change of the government. You know, 3 days before the election, madrid train bombing? They surrendered faster than even the French.
On other topic of racism amd terrorism, way more muslims have been killed than any other ethnic group. The theory doesn''t hold water, i''m afraid.

kirt
Posts: 1548

Re: Re: Unexpected Racism
9/27/2006 7:25:39 AM

That kind of makes Curmudgeon''s point, doesn''t it, Coyote? Spain helps the US invade, gets bombed in retaliation and pulls out. Mexico, on the other hand, has not sent troops to Iraq or Afghanistan and has been left alone.

MarkyDeSod
Posts: 24

Re: Re: Re: Unexpected Racism
9/27/2006 9:08:10 PM

But, Mexico has been making life very difficult for America lately, yes? That is why they are left alone. It is something else other than just religion. It isn''t that we invaded Iraq, this started way way way before that. Like the late 70''s. It isn''t increasing because we fought back, it was already increasing even when we were doing nothing.

kirt
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Unexpected Racism
9/28/2006 12:47:07 AM

The US overthrew the government of Iran in 1953. Not unreasonably the Iranians did not look at this as the US ""doing nothing"" and regarded their own revolution in the late ''70s as taking back their country from a US puppet regime. The US invaded Lebanon in the 1950s and again in the 1980s and took sides in Lebanese civil wars which were none of the business of the this country. The US attacked Iran in 1988 and Iraq in 1991, inserting itself into quarrels in the region which also were really none of the US business. It then continued bombardment of Iraq throughout the 1990s and into the new millenium as well as starvation sanctions which killed half a million Iraqi children. When exactly in the post WWII period was the US ever ""doing nothing"" in the Middle East? And this is without even mentioning the US arming and supporting of Israel beginning in the aftermath of the 1967 war which has led the other peoples of the region to conclude (again not unreasonably) that Israel has complete US sanction for all its own wars and conquests in the region.

Wild Ape
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Unexpected Racism
9/28/2006 7:00:49 AM

You''ve captured what is wrong with the middle east in the first place. Now we can expect retalliations for the next ten thousand years.

The US did NOT attack Iran in 1988. That is a LIE. Iran mined international waters and the USS Samuel B Roberts was hit. We retaliated and sank their navy and took away their mine laying capabilities.

The more you talk qwirt the more I like ''American Imperialism''.

kirt
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9/28/2006 7:18:37 AM

The Iranians began their mining after the US started sinking their warships and destroying oil platforms. Prior to this, the Iranian navy had the edge over the Iraqis in the Gulf and didn''t need to use mines. The US intervention had been triggered by an IRAQI missile attack on a US warship which was clearly designed to sink the ship and blame the loss on the Iranians. As it was, the ship didn''t sink, the Iraqis were clearly identified as the culprits and the US entered the war on their side anyway.

And of course the US provided Iraq with chemicals to make poison gas to use against the Iranians and their Kurdish allies and shot down an Iranian civilian jetliner off the coast of Iran, killing hundreds of innocent people. Ain''t US imperialism wonderful? The bodies just keep piling up.

curmudgeon
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The bigger the pile . . .
9/28/2006 8:05:33 AM

. . . of raghead bodies the better.

Wild Ape
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9/28/2006 9:00:15 PM

WRONG. I was there asshole. They were sank AFTER not before and they violated international law PERIOD.

I''m done with your filthy lying ass.

I''m glad we sent them to hell too.

kirt
Posts: 1548

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9/29/2006 12:14:12 AM

Not surprised you were were there, Ape.
Shooting down unarmed civilian airliners and slaughtering innocent civilians is about your cowardly, sociopathic level. Of course, since you''re not God, you can''t be sure you sent them to hell, but it''s the vicious thought and wish that exposes the evil of your character. Fits in well with your rejoicing over the killing of ""Nazi babies"" at Dresden. What a repulsive piece of work you are.

Wild Ape
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9/29/2006 4:31:39 AM

I was part of Operation Preying Mantis. We sank the two frigates and the troop transport they used to lay the mines. Those butchers were far from innocent. They had shot up unarmed merchants several days before. You should have seen charred bodies the Iranians left behind. I didn''t shoot down the airliner.

This also spells out your ignorance. The Iranians frequently placed their jets beside airliners until they found a sea target then dove down to pick the target. They used airliners as human shields. The Captain of the USS Vicennes had to make a split decision to either protect his crew or blast that airliner. That airliner when off track when it never should have. It had no reason to veer off course. There was every reason to believe this was an attack. But then you applaud the use of hostages and civilians as shields. Those Iranians used irresponsible tactics. That is no different than that gunman who went in the school and used hostages to protect himself. There is no difference.

As for Dresden, the issue is too complicated and you took me out of context (what a surprise). Destroying the workforce was a strategy of that war at that time.

You are the guy who called the Viet Nam vets baby killers. You are the kind that applauds evil then goes to the church pew to be seen. You don''t need God, you want an audience.

What a repulsive piece of shit you are.

kirt
Posts: 1548

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Unexpected Racism
9/29/2006 6:43:52 AM

The US reflagged Kuwaiti tankers following an IRAQI attack on a US warship in order to enable Iraq to continue to export its oil to finance its war effort (Kuwait along with the US were Saddam''s allies) while giving Iraq a free hand to attack Iranian tankers and facilities. I''m sure Saddam appreciated your efforts on his behalf.

This is a perfect example of the US interfering in someone else''s war, and the payback was getting to fight two wars against Iraq ourselves, the second still on-going, with the loss of thousands of American lives, and the maiming of tens of thousands of Americans. Of course, as far as you are concerned, you don''t care if this goes on indefinitely - any number of American lives are worth it to you as long as Iraqis are being killed.

Contrary to your lie, the Iranian airliner shot down was a scheduled flight that was on course. The human shield argument is simply the standard US excuse for its standard slaughter of civilians in war. This replaces the excuse of ""destroying the workforce"" - in other words, killing innocent civilians and their children, including infants. Glad you put your remark about ""Nazi babies"" in context for me, Ape. Still sounds like you approve of baby-killing, which is the standard strategy of the US regime both here and abroad (note its use of abortion), but why am I not surprised, Ape? Bloodshed and slaughter are what turn you on; I believe you''ve referred to it as your ""warrior spirit"".

Wild Ape
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9/29/2006 7:59:05 AM

These are sources that show what happened during Operation Preying Mantis.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/praying_mantis.htm

http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1147329

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis

In each, which include one of your blame America first sources they say the same thing I said and counter what you have to say. The Iranians were attacking neutral shipping, not just Kuwaiti (against international maritime law) and mined international waters with untethered mines (both clearly against international law) The Roberts was struck by a mine (an act of war) on April 14, 1988. The Iranian Navy was sunk between April 17 and 18, 1988. The mines were verified to belong to Iran and from the Iranian ship.

""The attack by the U.S. helped pressure Iran to agree to a ceasefire with Iraq later that summer, ending the eight-year conflict between the Persian Gulf neighbors""

This may be hard for you to understand but instead of perpetuating the war it ended up ending it. I guess that blows your theory that we were trying to stoke the war machine and keep Saddam and Iran killing each other.

You need to change your Depends old man. It is so full it has backed up the flow and is spewing out your mouth.

As for my ''baby killing warrior spirit'', I''m laughing because you are a member of the club too buddy. When you applaud terrorists blowing up schoolyards and beheading innocents and using people as shields you join my ranks. How does it feel to be a fellow member? Doesn''t that kinda go against your sainthood aspirations?

Maybe you''ll be the patron saint of hippocrites. You''ll have my vote. Or if they have a catagory for liars I will certainly back you. It is the least thing a fellow baby killing supporter can do for a fellow team member.

kirt
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9/29/2006 8:46:47 AM

The Wikipedia article on Operation Ernest Will provides several instances of US attacks on Iranian ships or facilities prior to the Roberts incident. I don''t deny that the Iranians were violating international law. So was Iraq, but on a much larger scale. So was Iraq''s ally, the US, on a larger scale. My argument was that involvement in the war between Iran and Iraq was not the business of the US.

Now let''s examine some of your other lies. I never stated that the object of the US intervention on behalf of Iraq was to keep the war going, but rather to prevent Iran from winning a war in which they had been the victim of American sponsored Iraqi aggression. Saddam won; your mission was accomplished, Ape.

I never have applauded terrorists for blowing up schoolyards, beheading innocents, or using people as shields. These are your usual lies and you cannot produce one instance where I have. I know that ""Nazi babies"" remark of yours kind of comes back to haunt you, but as I have often said, once you say something in this foro, it''s documented.

You can''t come up with any quote of mine applauding terrorists because I have never said or written any. If I favored terrorism, I''d be Bush''s number one supporter.

Wild Ape
Posts: 3596

Let''s get this straight kirt....
9/29/2006 8:24:50 PM

First of all you have me confused with someone of great power and influence. Go to the topic where it talks about ""The most influential and powerful people of Corpus Christi"" Now where will you find Ape, WildApe, Baby Killing Ape, or Nazi Baby Killing Ape or my real name. So why do you bother bugging me. I could no more change policy even if I desired to than you can. Who you need to see is someone of influence.

For instance there was a judge in the Ninth District Court of Appeals who with a stroke of a pen declared Anwar off limits to oil exploration until an environmental study can be filled.

How many lives will be lost in your precious war during the delay that it takes to get us off the dependence of foreign oil? And you waste your time on energy on me about a war that is nearly two decades old?

Oil is what got us into this then and what got us into this now. We are mired in oil. Now I know that you would like to rut in the gutter in the mud like the rest of your anti American crowd but some of us would like not to starve, freeze, or die.

As for applauding terrorists doing all their antics you seem very lopsided in your ''even handedness''. You blanketly state that our solgiers are murderers and thugs. Not ''there are some murderers and rapists and bad guys in our ranks'' because I would agree that there are. You blanket that statement and you say that it is policy. That pisses me off because it is neither true nor accurate. Tell me, did you gut babies and villages in Viet Nam? Are you to blame for that?

There is the clear distinction between you and I in that I think this country is morally based and generally good. I don''t think that we are pure but by and large I think we are good.

You think this country is bad. You say it is evil and ruthless and should be ended. I''ve yet to see any balance in your statements. According to you the whole Army is out there raping pillaging and plundering. If not state the truth and I''ll GLADLY back off. Don''t paint the whole group with a broad brush.

Show quotes? Why? BlindBob, Sidewalk, Harry, and myself have all roasted you in your own words and quoted all this. Let me explain this to you and I want it to sink in. You are not worth my time. It is not your message. It is you. Go bother someone with influence. Go ponder your on your soul. Listen to the Pope who says ""extremists are ruining the world"". Play with your grand children.

As for me, I''m outta here. I''m going to go spend time with people FAR more deserving than you.

kirt
Posts: 1548

Re: Let''s get this straight kirt....
9/30/2006 12:17:42 AM

""As for me, I''m outta here. I''m going to go spend time with people FAR more deserving than you."" - the Ape

Promises, promises. I''ve heard all that before from you, Ape. Let''s see if you can keep your word this time. I doubt it.

Wild Ape
Posts: 3596

Re: Re: Let''s get this straight kirt....
9/30/2006 6:42:27 AM

Its not a promise jackass. I''m weighing the value of the time and energy spent blogging with a lunatic or playing with my dog. Actually I''m also thinking I value cleaning a cat box more than anything having to do with you. You are not going to drive me from the forum. You are just a fat twisted old clown that likes to spin people up. Go protest your worthless life.

kirt
Posts: 1548

Re: Re: Re: Let''s get this straight kirt....
9/30/2006 7:51:32 AM

I knew you wouldn''t be able to resist the obsession, Ape.

Wild Ape
Posts: 3596

Re: Re: Re: Re: Let''s get this straight kirt....
9/30/2006 5:28:18 PM

So it has passed from a promise (I never made) to an obsession eh?

That''s not it at all kirt. I just don''t like bullies. You''ve been here for months and have only repelled me.

Funny thing but Sidewalk, texwrites, Elwood, and Republic69 have had more sucess bringing me to their cause than you have. I''ve locked horns with each one of these men and yet have changed my views or held them in higher respect. You I find lacking.

I think it is because you are not here to convince but to vent. I think your motives are plain.

Well, I gotta go. I''ve noticed that my dog needs a walk. I''d rather spend time with her than with you. You give dogs a bad rap. I happen to know that they all aren''t bad.

must be the money or "Holy Blood Holy Grail"

2006-06-02T01:03:00.000-07:00

Jaime Kenedeno
Posts: 800

The Kenedy Foundation is a non-profit, charitable organization in name only
11/5/2005 4:21:29 AM

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The Kenedy Foundation is a non-profit, charitable organization in name only!
Posted on November 5, 2005 at 06:31:28 AM by Tony Hearn

Let me tell you what I think is going on in Corpus Christi.

The Kenedy Foundation is a non-profit, charitable organization in name only. It is NOT a Christian organization. It’s a worldly business.

http://www.tonysjournal.com/diary1105.htm

Frankly, I think the foundation is controlled by a bunch of money-grubbing, avaricious, backsliding Roman Catholic prelates and pseudo-religious hangers-on. The lay members are even paid handsomely to sit on the board. They employ a retired U.S. Army general and other hirelings to administer the foundation as a capitalistic enterprise.

These malefactors have engineered the Kenedy Foundation, with the help of a bunch of shrewd, high-priced lawyers and conniving bankers, to give as little as possible to charity to keep the Texas attorney general and the federal Internal Revenue Service off their tails for violation of the laws controlling non-profit, charitable foundations.

Let me ask any fair-minded, God-loving Roman Catholic in Texas – those who are the true beneficiaries of Sarita Kenedy East who set up the Kenedy Foundation before her death: If you had money in the bank, what would you do to help dying children? Try to hide? Play dumb? Would you tell the world if you were pressed that you have other plans for the money, doling it out like Ebenezer Scrooge, only to registered institutions? Would you stiff-arm the Holy Father who has asked for help for dying children?

Sarita Kenedy East left her money to the Roman Catholic Church of Texas, not to a bunch of retrovert penny pinchers who treat the Kenedy Foundation as a slush fund for their private interests and as a hedge against civil suits which might ruin the coffers of bishops who failed to shepherd perverted clergy.

As a member of the Roman Catholic Church in Texas, I have a right to tell the bishops, hangers-on, and their hirelings down in Corpus Christi what I think should be done with Sarita’s money, particularly in response to Pope Benedict XVI’s urgent plea for help for dying children.

Every Roman Catholic in Texas should rise up and tell the members of the Kenedy Foundation board and General Cisneros to cut through the complicated, time-consuming red tape and other procedural barriers they have constructed to protect their precious hoard from anyone seeking their stingy grants. (General Cisneros’s email is mac@kenedy.org.)

Tell them to rescue the dying children with Sarita’s money – not with some pittance either, but with BIG money! Fifty million or better!

And tell that so-called bishop demeritus to get his greedy hands out of the cookie jar and to make certain the Roman Catholics of Texas have a clear view – a transparent view – of just what has been happening with Sarita’s money. Publish the books, uncooked!

Now if you at the Kenedy Foundation have already written out a huge check and sent it either to Benedict XVI or the U.N. Children's Fund, which I doubt, forget the above, and keep on doing more of the same. The Lord will bless you and all Roman Catholics in Texas. He'll bless us real good!

http://www.tonysjournal.com/diary1105.htm

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Jaime Kenedeno
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General Marc Anthony Cisneros who''s running the show @ Kenedy Foundation
11/5/2005 4:23:56 AM

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General Marc Anthony Cisneros who''s running the show at the Kenedy Foundation down in Corpus Christi
Posted on November 5, 2005 at 04:11:33 AM by Tony Hearn

Friday, November 4, 2005

I find it rather interesting that none of the dailies in Texas is interested in the story I sent out on Monday in which I asked the Kenedy Foundation to send money to help the dying children in Kashmir. I was only echoing Pope Benedict XVI''s appeal.

Either the editors are asleep or they are cowed by retired General Marc Anthony Cisneros who''s running the show at the Kenedy Foundation down in Corpus Christi. How is it that the media publish the story of the pope asking the international community to dig into their pockets to save the Asian refugees from starvation and exposure to harsh winter conditions, but they are not roused from indifference when someone suggests the richest Catholic institution in the world (or at least among the richest), the Kenedy Foundation, contribute to the relief effort?

I wonder if Benedict XVI realizes how much money the Kenedy Foundation has? Or maybe Benedict XVI is hitting up the world community but is giving a pass to the Catholic Church in Texas?

I''m going to find out, one way or another!

Thursday, November 3, 2005

As that creepy actor, Peter Lorey, used to say, ""It''s sooooo quiet and peaceful – in the morgue!""

I think I must have gotten to the fellas at the Kenedy Foundation. They''re realizing what creeps they are – ignoring the Holy Father''s call to help the dying children in Pakistani Kashmir. They are pondering their fate once the Good Lord gets a hold of them! The scoundrels, led astray by that arch scoundrel, Rene! What a fate is in store for him! Bishop emeritus, my eye!

On a much higher, loftier plane, yesterday at the Vatican in the presence of 30,000 people, Pope Benedict XVI led a commemoration of All Souls. Commenting on Psalm 111, ""the happiness of the righteous,"" Pope Benedict said the following, to which I point Bishop Rene Gracida and the pack at the Kenedy Foundation:

""The observation of moral law brings inner harmony and profound peace of conscience,"" the Holy Father explained, specifying that ""the core of such faithfulness to the Divine Word consists in a fundamental choice: charity towards the poor and the needy. ... The righteous, accepting the constant admonitions of the prophets, take the side of the marginalized and give them abundant support.""

http://www.tonysjournal.com/diary1105.htm
kirt
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Re: The Kenedy Foundation
11/5/2005 7:58:04 AM

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I''m not an expert on the Kenedy foundation, but I know one of the board members and he is a very honorable man. I also know they have made grants to help pay the tuition of poor students at Our Lady of Corpus Christi and have made other grants to this poor and struggling Catholic liberal arts institution. They have also paid the tuition (including my own) of catechetical students in a Church history class being given at Christ the King parish. What specifically have they done that is so wrong?
curmudgeon
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Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!
11/5/2005 8:47:47 AM

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The Roman Catholic Church is a big business. All the folks who work for for it are handsomely rewarded. Sarita thought she could buy her way to heaven and Brother Leo was happy to oblige.
kirt
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Re: Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!
11/5/2005 10:46:47 AM

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There may be some people who make big money working for the Catholic Church, but the vast majority do so on either on a volunteer basis or for minimal pay. A good example would be Catholic school teachers, who on average are paid far less than their government school counterparts. The handsome reward, we all hope, will come in the next life.
Capt Carrales
Posts: 1983

Have you all seen Benny Hinn''s...
11/5/2005 2:00:34 PM

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...latest suits. It seems to be Catholics aren''t the only game in town.

Please spread the vitriol evenly please.
curmudgeon
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Benny Hinn is one of my favorites . . .
11/5/2005 4:38:34 PM

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. . . along with Tammy Faye and the woman with the big pink hair.
Capt Carrales
Posts: 1983

Yes, I see you are familiar with Blasphemous Bob...
11/6/2005 12:13:45 AM

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...and his associates.

Get down with OPP, Old Preverted Preacher!!!

Well, Curmudgeon, now is your chance to get in on the religious raquet.

Jaime Kenedeno
Posts: 800

Fair? OK,.... I will give you something OMNIFICENT!
11/6/2005 4:16:07 AM

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Not to be confused with the one and only OMNIPOTENT!

Parkdale Baptist Church

An article titled, ""Serpent in the Garden"" by James Pinkerton in the Houston Chronicle (not locally covered) January 14, 1996.

Deacon James Plaisted did some very bad things and was protected by some very powerful people. He even was rewarded with Law School in Boston then busted again bringing another little girl from the Body of Christ to his Boston Motel. He worked with CCISD and Horvat.
curmudgeon
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My old momma . . .
11/6/2005 10:59:23 AM

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. . . drew the line at bein'' a preacher and sellin'' Bibles.
Jaime Kenedeno
Posts: 800

You need to look at their books.....
11/5/2005 10:27:56 PM

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and the transactions for personal gain. That is the fallacy these men are respected & honorable men above reproach yet they are thieves!

Go to guidestar.org and look them up.
kirt
Posts: 1061
Re: You need to look at their books.....
11/6/2005 7:15:14 PM

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Jaime, I registered with Guidestar and looked up the Kenedy Foundation. Now perhaps you could tell me what I am supposed to be looking for and how to get there. I am not a tax accountant or forensic accountant. I''ve had a couple of accounting courses many years ago - that''s it.

The only two things I was able to find out are 1) The guy I know who I thought was a director is not one, although his son is, and 2) the mission of the foundation is to support Catholic activities in the state of Texas. This would explain why they have not given money to Asian refugees. This is not their mission unless the refugees manage to make it all the way to Texas.
Jaime Kenedeno
Posts: 800

I agree with you it is earmarked for South Texas but they spend .......
11/7/2005 12:58:50 AM

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everywhere and hide everywhere they can ala ENRON.

The 909!

Look at the stock sales and the broker fees.

Go to follow the money .com or .org.

It is illegal for them to contribute money to any political campaign in any shape or form.

It is so much to explain;... it is difficult to explain cogently. Go back and study the litigation or even better the histrorical events leading up to now. Gracida (1984) owns so much and is so wealthy. Check out when the AG charged him and the whole KFATSO board with Felonius Crimes. I will get into it if you truly will stick it out with me?

YOU need to do a lot of Homework!

Ask if something confuses you?

curmudgeon
Posts: 2902

Next . . .
11/7/2005 6:31:13 AM

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. . . you will be tellin'' us the Pope is a crook!
Jaime Kenedeno
Posts: 800

I dont know about this one but ......
11/7/2005 6:57:11 AM

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you know ""the Pope can afford to be generous"".

According to Cardinal Krol and Vagnozzi!

Francis Cardinal Spellman as well as J Peter Grace and the CIA.

Jaime Kenedeno
Posts: 800

The Last Pope: An Exemplary Mandate in his Ascension!
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Pope John Paull II: An Exemplary Mandate in his Ascension!
4/4/2005 12:11 AM
This Pope moved mountains! The very mountains where the littlest soveriegn country resides. 109 acres, ~ 900 citizens, a soup kitchen for the poor, a police force and 100 or so Swiss Guard. Vatican City cringed at the steadfast integrity and purification Pope John Paul II represented and commanded. His final years are not representative of his early and middle years. This man told ""emperors they were indeed naked"".
Then he would offer options where he could help them design a whole new (""more pure"") wardrobe. I am very proud for this man and the Catholic Church for which he dedicated his whole life. He made huge strides toward the purification only to be stifled in his final years. His little changes in attitude and direction were not little like they seemed but, very instrumental to a healing of the Church that must be sterilized first. We are getting closer everyday to a more empirical Church Hierarchy. I hope John Paul II''s qualitys were highly contagious to the electors of our next Pope. I do not feel sadness. I feel the greatness of this man being dispatched to a world that he has (from) in spirit ascended. He is far greater now than he was ever as a man. His greatness will now be felt and recognized more so (now & in the future) than ever during his life in the flesh.
kirt
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Re: The Last Pope: An Exemplary Mandate in his Ascension!
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Hi Jaime, sorry I missed this post previously. I agree with your very positive assessment of Pope John Paul II. I also have very high hopes for the present Holy Father Benedict XVI, who is off to a good start building on what John Paul did before. I only hope that Benedict will live long enough to have a great pontificate for the glory of God, the salvation of souls, and the building up of the Church.
kirt
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Jaime, I can''t go running from website to website on this. Previously you made a rhetorical point that they were not giving money to Asian refugees. When I pointed out that this doesn''t fall within the scope of their mission (per the website you referred me to), you now claim that they spend everywhere and hide everywhere. No specific examples are given, which makes me suspect that you fear a lawsuit.

You don''t even name the specific ""Felonius Crimes"" with which the AG charged Bishop Gracida and the board. What were the specific charges? Were the accused ever convicted? Acquitted? The charges dropped? Can you answer these questions without referring me to another website? If not, can you refer me to a simple news website that has the answers?
Capt Carrales
Posts: 1983

Oh Man!!! Kirt is...
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...taking names and kicking ass!!!

Jaime, let''s see if Kirt is up to the challenge.

Let the games begin!!!!
Jaime Kenedeno
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hERE IS A LITTLE BACKGROUND TO GET YOUR FEET WET KIRT!
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howdown in Texas
How bishop was turned against bishop in the struggle for control of Corpus Christi’s Kenedy Foundation

By Stephen Michaud and Hugh Aynesworth

Spring 1996 was a bitter time for Rene Henry Gracida. One moment, the 73-year-old Catholic bishop of Corpus Christi was savoring his imminent retirement. The next, Gracida was fending off three legal assaults on the $250 million foundation that he chaired.

Two groups of litigants claimed that the foundation’s principal assets, underground oceans of oil in south Texas, actually belonged to them, at least in part.

But it was the third challenge that personally affronted Gracida. His fellow Texas bishops, frustrated by the Corpus Christi prelate’s unwillingness to share more of the foundation’s largesse with other Texas dioceses, had taken their case to Texas state attorney general Dan Morales.

At the same time, Morales also heard from Richard Hatch, the foundation’s erstwhile general counsel, who was raising his own questions over Gracida’s stewardship.

Prodded into action by the bishops and Mr. Hatch, Morales filed suit on May 2, 1996, alleging Gracida had misallocated foundation funds, violating “the spirit, intent and language” of two legal agreements that governed foundation policies. Morales also sought to remove the entire seven-member board, including Gracida, who was president. The suit further sought repayment of unspecified sums from the diocese to the foundation.

Not only did the action reignite one of the most colorful and convoluted foundation battles in Texas history, it also impugned Gracida’s honor. “I was very hurt, very angry,” he says. “It was a tremendous strain.” In response, Gracida counter-sued, alleging that Morales was the one trying to twist the foundation’s mission. Gracida also recruited his own heavy hitter into the fray, New York powerhouse John Cardinal O’Connor.

“I said, ‘John, I need your help,’” Gracida recalls. “Well, you know the story about the camel getting his nose under the tent. Once O’Connor saw the opportunity, he said, ‘I’m going to get control of that foundation.’”

Meeting Brother Leo

The late cardinal was only the latest in a long and colorful parade of characters who have coveted control of the fortune since 1960, when Sarita Kenedy East established the foundation in her parents’ honor. Past litigants included eight Texas attorneys general, two prior bishops of Corpus Christi, innumerable members of the Kenedy family, and a handsome and charismatic Trappist monk known as Brother Leo, who says he first suggested the idea of a foundation to Mrs. East.

The Kenedy fortune dates to the early 19th century and the arrival on the Rio Grande River of Captain Mifflin Kenedy, a steamboater from Pennsylvania. Kenedy had a keen eye for the main chance. He and his younger friend, Richard King, prospered as freight haulers on the river, then invested their profits in vast acreages up the Texas coast toward Corpus Christi in a parched expanse known as the Wild Horse Desert. King founded the enormous King Ranch; Kenedy built his own 400,000-acre spread, La Parra, next door.

The rich captain married a Mexican widow named Petra Vela, who bore Kenedy six children. Only one of them, John Gregory, produced grandchildren. His first-born, John Gregory Jr., known as Johnny, was left sterile by mumps. Johnny’s younger sister, Sara, known as Sarita, similarly was left barren by undulant fever. After her husband Arthur’s death in 1944, Sarita, a devout Catholic, retreated into her faith and a more-than-occasional tumbler of scotch to soothe her loneliness and sorrows.

Then came the day in 1948 when Sarita, out tending her brother Johnny’s new grave in the family cemetery at La Parra, looked up to greet a visitor, the monk known as Brother Leo. He was young enough to be the son Sarita never bore, and there was immediate chemistry between them.

Leo animated a dormant spirit in Mrs. East. He visited La Parra regularly, and they traveled together extensively. Sarita donated generously to the Trappists, and Leo opened her eyes to the enormous needs of the poor throughout the world, particularly in Latin America.

The monk and his friend and mentor, the industrialist J. Peter Grace, worked together to persuade Mrs. East to establish the John G. and Marie Stella Kenedy Memorial Foundation. A year later, in 1961, Sarita died from cancer in a New York City hospital.

Decades of wildly complex legal warfare ensued (see sidebar) for control of the foundation, culminating in 1984 when Rene Gracida, the newly-installed bishop of Corpus Christi, boldly grabbed the foundation’s reins from a South Texas bank. It appeared that the tough-minded bishop, a former World War II bomber pilot, had finally trumped the field.

The October of Discontent

The Kenedy Foundation had previously distributed about $30 million to Catholic causes around Texas. These grants were divided between Corpus Christi and the state’s 13 dioceses. But the funding balance began to shift once the new bishop took over. “The board felt charity begins at home,” Gracida explains. “So you know, they were going to treat South Texas with a higher priority.”

According to calculations by the attorney general, between 1984 and 1996, the foundation gave the Corpus Christi diocese about $100 million in grants, funding everything from new schools to a television station. In the same period, approximately $23 million was allotted to the rest of the state.

Gracida’s brother bishops were not pleased. “I could detect signs of discontent,” he recalls. “I kept reminding the bishops at our semi-annual meetings, ‘You know, the Kenedy Foundation isn’t the only foundation in this state. Why do you expect the Kenedy Foundation to supply all your needs?’”

The flashpoint came in the wake of a double hit to the foundation exchequer: oil prices plummeted to less than $10 a barrel and, in October of 1987, the stock market collapsed. “The foundation lost $5 million in one day,” Gracida remembers.

Although there is some dispute over how badly the foundation really was hurt—Bishop John McCarthy of Austin would later claim that its revenues actually increased during this period—there’s no debate over Gracida’s next move. The Kenedy Foundation board voted in 1990 to temporarily restrict all new grants to the diocese of Corpus Christi. Everyone else would have to wait for the economy to improve.

Just then, Bishop Leroy T. Matthiesen of Amarillo made what he believed was a routine request: $6,000 for a Spanish-language evangelization project. It had been four years since Matthiesen’s last application—$60,000 for a diocesan renewal center—was granted, so he assumed approval of the much more modest amount would be relatively pro forma.

Gracida, however, turned him down, and a clearly miffed Bishop Matthiesen went public with his disappointment. Speaking for himself and the other Texas bishops to a reporter for an East Texas diocesan newspaper, Matthiesen said, “We all consider Bishop Gracida a friend, and we want to maintain friendly relations, but this looks [like] pretty high-handed stuff to us.”

The story was picked up by the Catholic News Service, which gave the quote from Bishop Matthiesen national distribution. “That nearly sent me into orbit,” says Gracida. “I said, ‘How could you do that? How could you say something like that to a reporter, knowing that in all probability she was going to print it? And she did!’ He apologized, but of course the damage was done.”

In late February of 1993, a group of Texas bishops sat down with the Kenedy Foundation board to make their case face-to-face. Four months later, when there was no apparent change in foundation policy, Bishop McCarthy of Austin fired off a stinging note to Kenedy board members.

“Let me be rather direct,” McCarthy wrote. “We believe that the resources of the foundation are being seriously mishandled. We believe that there is serious abuse of the fiduciary responsibility of those who are responsible.”

McCarthy closed with a warning: “Unless there is a dramatic change,” he wrote, “the Bishops of Texas have no alternative but to go elsewhere for a solution.”

The FedEx Bill That Roared

The following year, Archbishop Patrick Flores of San Antonio, the senior Catholic prelate in Texas, dispatched an equally explicit threat to the board. Flores wanted a Texas bishop placed on the board, a move that he said “would go a long way toward eliminating the danger of any scandal or involvement with the Attorney General.”

Approximately a month later, Enrique San Pedro, the bishop of Brownsville on the Texas-Mexico border, was elected to the board. He died of cancer four months later. In August 1994, Placido Rodriguez, the new bishop of Lubbock in the Texas panhandle, was appointed to the board.

But Gracida’s critics were not satisfied. Although the moratorium on new grants had been lifted in June and a bit more money began to flow out of Corpus Christi into the poorer dioceses, there was no fundamental shift in foundation philosophy.

Dissent also began to stir from within. Over time, foundation attorney Richard Hatch Sr. had come to believe that Gracida was overstepping his authority. Although Hatch had previously assured the bishop in writing that his policies were “not only legal, but appropriate considering the historical background surrounding the creation of the foundation and subsequent litigation for control,” he was clearly disaffected by 1995.

“The Bishop of the Diocese of Corpus Christi has now accomplished what his predecessor in office could not accomplish by years of litigation,” Hatch wrote the board shortly after he left their employ. “The Foundation is now but a subsidiary of the Diocese of Corpus Christi.”

Gracida says his first clue to Hatch’s intent came after the attorney left the foundation, when foundation officials discovered a FedEx charge for materials he had sent to the state attorney general’s office in Austin. “We confronted him on it,” the bishop recollects, “and all he would say was, ‘A man’s got to do what he’s got to do.’”

Not long thereafter, says Gracida, Morales’ office notified the foundation that it was under investigation.

In November of 1995, Bishop McCarthy sent a two-page typewritten letter to Jan Soifer, the assistant attorney general in charge of the case. “We are very regretful,” wrote McCarthy on diocesan stationery, “that we have not been able to work this matter out internally and we now feel it is necessary for your office to become involved.”

In January of 1996, Bishop Joseph Delaney of Fort Worth sent his own letter to the AG’s office. “It is truly discouraging,” wrote Delaney, “that after years of quite notorious litigation we have had to resort to requesting that the Attorney General’s office look into the matter again.”

For Catholic bishops to air internecine issues before a civil authority is unusual; Gracida claims, perhaps with some exaggeration, that nothing like it has occurred in the Church since medieval days. He describes the actions of his fellow bishops as “scandalous,” but was particularly inflamed by their public comments, which generally characterized the lawsuit as the regrettable consequence of failed private diplomacy.

Calling in the Big Guns

Gracida read the bishops’ words and actions as nothing less than an attempt, via the attorney general’s lawsuit, to engineer a foundation coup, oust him, and install their own trustees. To counter them, he turned to a trusted friend, the most powerful Catholic in the United States. “I said, ‘John, here are some clippings of what the bishops are saying about me. I need you to silence them. I’m not asking you to interfere in the litigation. Just tell them to shut up. You can do that.’”

O’Connor did that and more. Gracida recalls that the public turmoil did quiet down, but he soon became convinced that O’Connor had more in mind than simply mediating the dispute. “Our attorney flew to New York and met with O’Connor in his living room,” he says. “He came back from that meeting and told me, ‘You’ve got to know who you’re fighting here. He’s going to try to take over the foundation.’” O’Connor died last year, apparently without making any public comments on his role in the Kenedy controversy.

Cardinal O’Connor was named head of a Papal commission charged with mediating the foundation fight before it actually got to court. His two co-mediators were Bernard Cardinal Law of Boston and Bishop Raymond Burke from Wisconsin. Gracida says Burke later told him that O’Connor and Law froze him out of their deliberations, which to the Corpus Christi bishop seemed directed more toward wresting the foundation away from him than exploring a middle ground in the dispute.

O’Connor could not have seized power directly—the law was too plain on that issue—but Gracida surmises that the Cardinal certainly would have enjoyed a great deal of indirect influence on foundation matters had he delivered it into the Texas bishops’ control.

The Cardinal pressured him to capitulate, Gracida says, invoking his extraordinary influence both in the United States and, more importantly, in Rome, but the Corpus Christi bishop would not budge. Gracida also distrusted his co-adjutor and anointed successor as bishop, Roberto Gonzalez (now Archbishop of Puerto Rico), who had risen through the Catholic hierarchy as a protege of both O’Connor and Law. He did not want Gonzalez—or any bishop—succeeding him as president of the foundation, and therefore presented as his non-negotiable demand that there could be no settlement unless the majority of any new Kenedy board were not clerics.

In the end, that’s what he got. On March 10, 1997, the attorney general’s office and the foundation issued dueling press releases, announcing that all pending litigation had been settled. Morales noted in the first sentence of his release that the settlement “increases the number of independent voices” on the board, and he was right.

The number of directors was expanded from seven to 13; by stipulation, nine of the new directors would be lay members and the other four bishops. Under no circumstances could clerics ever make up a controlling bloc on the board, nor could a member of a religious order, like Brother Leo, ever again become foundation president. Ex-officio cleric-directors would be the bishop of Corpus Christi and the archbishop of San Antonio. The other two prelates would serve one-year terms.

At the time, Gracida called the agreement “a total personal vindication for me and for the foundation board,” and he was right. The board—his board—remained intact, and the diocese was not obliged to repay any monies it had received from the Kenedy Foundation.

Coming out of the Woodwork

On April 1, 1997, Bishop Gracida finally did retire, proud of his successful defense of the foundation. But his victory did not mean that the battle for the Kenedy fortune was over. One of the other legal challenges filed during Bishop Gracida’s tenure on the board was brought by descendants of Carmen Morell, whom Captain Mifflin Kenedy had adopted following his wife’s death in 1885.

Morell’s heirs claimed that Sarita’s father, John Gregory, euchred his adoptive sister out of her share of the inheritance, and they say they have documents to back up their claim. The Kenedy Foundation board settled the case for an undisclosed amount.

Then came the Balli family. This large clan dates back at least to the early 1800s in the Wild Horse Desert, where they held Spanish land grants. The Ballis claim that Mifflin Kenedy leased his land from them, but never actually bought it. They, too, have documents they say will prove their point. One in particular is a 50-year lease, allegedly approved by Sarita East in 1948. The Balli claim is now working its way through the South Texas courts.

Bishop Gracida claims today to have put these sorts of concerns behind him. He divides his time between a gulfside bungalow near Corpus Christi and a country “ranchito” called Rancho Milagro, where he runs a few head of cows and generally enjoys the outdoors and his solitude.

Content to pass defense of the foundation to new and younger hands, Gracida also has come to accept what seems inevitable about the Kenedy fortune. “There’ll always be people coming out of the woodwork,” he says, “trying to get those millions.”

Stephen G. Michaud and Hugh Aynesworth are the authors of If You Love Me, You Will Do My Will, about the Kenedy Foundation.

http://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/magazines/2001/march/01-03-mag-michaud.html
Jaime Kenedeno
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MEDIA ADVISORY

DIOCESE OF CORPUS CHRISTI

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

DATE: March 10, 1997
RE: Settlement Agreement Reached Between Attorney General and Kennedy Memorial Foundation
CONTACT: Marty Wind Diocesan Secretary for Communications (361) 289-6437 x322

THE MOST REVEREND RENE HENRY GRACIDA, D.D., BISHOP OF THE DIOCESE OF CORPUS CHRISTI AND MEMBER, DIRECTOR AND PRESIDENT OF THE JOHN G. AND MARIE STELLA KENEDY MEMORIAL FOUNDATION, ANNOUNCED TODAY THAT HE, ALONG WITH ALL OF THE OTHER MEMBERS, DIRECTORS AND OFFICERS OF THE FOUNDATION HAD REACHED A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WITH ATTORNEY GENERAL DAN MORALES REGARDING ALL OF THE ISSUES RAISED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IN THE LAWSUIT FILED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IN TRAVIS COUNTY ON MAY 2, 1996. SETTLEMENT WAS SIMULTANEOUSLY REACHED WITH REGARD TO ALL OF THE ISSUES RAISED IN THE LAWSUIT FILED BY BISHOP GRACIDA AND THE FOUNDATION IN JIM WELLS COUNTY ON MAY 9, 1996.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAD ORIGINALLY SOUGHT THE REMOVAL OF ALL OF THE MEMBERS, DIRECTORS AND OFFICERS OF THE FOUNDATION ALONG WITH THE REPAYMENT OF UNSPECIFIED SUMS OF MONEY WHICH HAD BEEN AWARDED AS GRANTS BY THE FOUNDATION TO THE DIOCESE OF CORPUS CHRISTI SINCE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE FOUNDATION BY SARITA K. EAST IN 1960. BISHOP GRACIDA ANNOUNCED THAT THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH WAS ENTERED INTO BY ALL OF THE PARTIES WITHOUT ANY ADMISSION OF LIABILITY, PROVIDES FOR FULL AND COMPLETE RELEASES BY THE PARTIES AND FOR THE ENTRY OF AGREED ORDERS OF DISMISSAL WITH PREJUDICE IN BOTH THE TRAVIS COUNTY AND THE JIM WELLS COUNTY LAWSUITS.
NO MEMBERS, DIRECTORS AND OFFICERS OF THE FOUNDATION WILL BE REQUIRED TO RESIGN AS A RESULT OF THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND NO GRANTS OF MONEY PREVIOUSLY MADE BY THE FOUNDATION WILL HAVE TO REPAID TO THE FOUNDATION.

COMMENTING ON THE LONG PROCESS OF SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS WHICH HAVE TAKEN PLACE OVER THE PAST TEN MONTHS, BISHOP GRACIDA SAID: ""IT HAS TAKEN US ALL OF THESE TEN MONTHS TO RESOLVE THE LITIGATION BECAUSE THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE FOUNDATION WAS NOT WILLING TO ALLOW THE FOUNDATION TO BE TRANSFORMED FROM A FOUNDATION CONTROLLED BY SOUTH TEXAS LAITY INTO A FOUNDATION CONTROLLED BY INDIVIDUALS AND FORCES OUTSIDE OF SOUTH TEXAS."" GRACIDA FURTHER STATED: ""SUCH A TRANSFORMATION OF THE FOUNDATION WOULD BE TOTALLY INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT SARITA K. EAST HAD IN MIND WHEN SHE CREATED HER FOUNDATION ON JANUARY 22, 1960 AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS WAS AND REMAINS TOTALLY COMMITTED TO CARRYING OUT THE TESTAMENTARY INTENT OF SARITA K. EAST."" FOR THAT REASON, GRACIDA STATED, THE MEMBERS, DIRECTORS AND OFFICERS OF THE FOUNDATION WERE RESOLUTELY DETERMINED TO OPPOSE ANY RESTRUCTURING OF THE FOUNDATION WHICH WOULD HAVE CONTRADICTED THE INTENTIONS OF SARITA K. EAST WHEN SHE CREATED HER FOUNDATION.

THE COMPROMISE WHICH THE FOUNDATION''S BOARD OF DIRECTORS REACHED WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL PROVIDES FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, BUT NOT THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE FOUNDATION, FROM THE PRESENT NUMBER OF SEVEN DIRECTORS TO THIRTEEN DIRECTORS. THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS WILL ALSO BE EXPANDED TO PERMANENTLY INCLUDE TWO ADDITIONAL ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOPS, ONE OF WHOM WILL ALWAYS BE THE BISHOP HOLDING THE OFFICE OF ARCHBISHOP OF SAN ANTONIO. PRESENTLY THERE ARE TWO BISHOPS SERVING ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS: BISHOP GRACIDA AND BISHOP PLACIDO RODRIGUEZ, C.M.F., BISHOP OF LUBBOCK.

BISHOP GRACIDA EXPLAINED THAT WITH THE EXPANSION OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS TO THRITEEN CONSISTING OF NINE LAITY AND FOUR BISHOPS, THE CURRENT NATURE OF THE FOUNDATION AS A SOUTH TEXAS FOUNDATION CONTROLLED BY LAITY WILL ALWAYS BE PRESERVED, BECAUSE A MAJORITY OF THE DIRECTORS OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS IN THE FUTURE WILL ALWAYS BE LAITY FROM SOUTH TEXAS. PRESENT LAY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS ARE: CORPUS CHRISTI ATTORNEY RONALD W. BRADLEY, KENEDY COUNTY JUDGE J. A. GARCIA, CORPUS CHRISTI PHYSICIAN DR. BEN GRONER, SANDIA ENGINEER, RANCHER AND OILMAN DAN MEANEY AND OILMAN JOSEPH P. MUELLER.

IN CONCLUSION, BISHOP GRACIDA STATED THAT HE AND THE OTHER MEMBERS, DIRECTORS AND OFFICERS OF THE FOUNDATION WERE THANKFUL THAT THE LITIGATION HAD BEEN SO SATISFACTORILY SETTLED, BECAUSE NOW THE FOUNDATION COULD CONTINUE TO CARRY OUT THE MISSION AND PURPOSES OF THE FOUNDATION SO CLEARLY INTENDED BY SARITA K. EAST WHEN SHE CREATED HER FOUNDATION ON JANUARY 22, 1960.

NEITHER BISHOP GRACIDA, NOR ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE FOUNDATION WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR FURTHER COMMENT ON THE SETTLEMENT AT THIS TIME. ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS, REQUESTS FOR FURTHER INFORMATION, AND REQUESTS FOR COPIES OF THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND AGREED ORDERS OF DISMISSAL SHOULD BE REFERRED TO:
ATTORNEY JORGE RANGEL
RANGEL & CHRISS
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HardcoreHarry
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QUICK!
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Someone yank that soapbox away from Jaime!

I think Kirt is gettin Pwned Captain! I imagine Jaime has a whole filing cabinet of them posts ready to go for such an occaision!

=laugh=

Hardcore Harry
Jaime Kenedeno
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Kirt already knows this info if he ....
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knows a son of a KFASTO Board Member.

I dont need to go to my filing cabinet. I am saving it for the courtroom. But you are correct, I have the proof. But it is only the Tip of the Iceberg!

I will step down (from my soap box); at your request, for now Harry.
HardcoreHarry
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Re: Kirt already knows this info if he ....
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Hehe, no continue on, I am waiting for the first intelligent reply from Kirt on these boards on this matter....or more of his hysteric ""Bush is to Blame for Everything.""

Frankly, Kirt does not stand a snowball''s chance in hell in this showdown if ye ask me!

Hardcore Harry
Capt Carrales
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Into the web...
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...said the spider to the fly.

Kirt, be prepared to negate volumes of Jaime''s works.

The games have begun!!!
Jaime Kenedeno
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Capitan,.......... I dont feel like........
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doing this! I dont think it needs to be right now? It already is! Kurt go do a lot of Homework. Do you see anybody else who is as uninformed as you? Do I really need to go there Capitan? Something (I feel) is not good about this. I believe it is in GOD''s hands right now. Actually I am proud for the Church Universal as they have accepted the critique and are cleansing themselves. I can feel it Capitan! The acceptance of women speaks volumes. More, much more must be done. It will not help anything for me to prove this crap all over again.
Jaime Kenedeno
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Here in the Body of Christ. He has been accused of innappropriate conduct and sued by parents of children for ""injury other than a motor vehicle"". All of his cases have been expedited to the third court of appeals in Austin. The Statesman has a few articles on him. Look who his allies are? Bernard Law & Cardinal O Connor who died about a year ago. O connor owned the house across the street (Ocean Drive) from the Diocese. This guy Tony Hearne is on the inside or shall I say was on the inside. I have tracked the paper to Argentina (Verstraten) Chile (Ranches & Temple (Trappist??), ""If you love me do my will"" is a good read from Gracida''s biased point of view. What I respect about the man is his intellect and ability to devise. Read the meeting on Elena''s porch at La Parra. Elena died as the AG was on his way to speak personally with her. Bishop Garriga''s famous quote, ""she was over reached she was over reached"" speaks of Sarita being played by the Church Universal; Brother Leo, J Peter Grace & the CIA. It is very corrupted but has cleansed and is cleansing themeselves of the pedophilia after the ""piercing"" of the underbelly. Gerry Appleby Priest. do a search on him and keep in mind he raped fondled & molested 3 men I know personally as I knew Father Gerry through them. They were all altar boys at St Joseph''s here in the Body Of Christ! He is in a Florida Prison now. Father Patrck Flores has covered up these transgressions as well! I have the book they bought from a family involved (who wrote it). I beleive Andy Turcotte wrote it. Anyway the book was never published but it was ""piece mealed"" with the input of the Vatican & Gracida to become ""If you love me do my will""

SUE ME!

It is that I have already been through this whole proving it thing. It is a lot of overlapping work. They were on the attack against the Fernandez Family. Nothing shuts one up like a ""cold shower of reality"".
kirt
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Jaime, my involvement with the Kenedy foundation has really been very minor. I know the father of a board member and have briefly met his son, but have never specifically discussed the foundation with either of them.

I appreciate the background information contained in your first two posts. First of all, I will stipulate that it is unedifying for bishops to squabble over money and especially for them to drag in the civil authorities. According to your articles, it was not Gracida but his opponents who did the latter. Second, one could make the argument that Gracida and the board should have been more generous with other Texas dioceses.

That said, it appears that Gracida and the board were completely vindicated in the litigation, which as far as I can see was strictly civil and did not involve criminal charges.

As far as your third post is concerned, this is rather confusing and much of it involves matters I have never heard of. What do the rape and molestation cases you refer to have to do with Bishop Gracida or the board of the Kenedy foundation?
Jaime Kenedeno
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Money & Tobacco might have convinced AG....
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Dan Morales otherwise.

Money is what vindicated Gracida. Now go figure; how does a Priest own a Bungalo and a ""Ranchito"" including numerous rent houses?

Also, I am informed by Ray Fernandez who has a family member who works with General Cisneros (up until now the General did not know where the leak was coming from) and is privy to all info. Ray Fernandez said, "" Bishop Gracida has a Ranch called Ranch Milagro and he has two house boys that walk around in thongs"". He asked me not to write about it but later relented. I trust you will verify the litigation? Michael Sullivan Federal Prosecutor in Boston was his attorney while at the same time employed as the head federal prosecutor of Mass. Gracida has been accused of the innappropriate conduct with children. It was paid off through the ""JEWISH"" network via Leshin. A house supposedly the victim is buying from a buffer then is paid off 5 years later. Ask Mr Leshin and watch him react?

Tell him Jaime tipped you off.
Jaime Kenedeno
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Money & Tobacco might have convinced AG....
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Dan Morales otherwise.

Money is what vindicated Gracida. Now go figure; how does a Priest own a Bungalo and a ""Ranchito"" including numerous rent houses?

Also, I am informed by Ray Fernandez who has a family member who works with General Cisneros (up until now the General did not know where the leak was coming from) and is privy to all info. Ray Fernandez said, "" Bishop Gracida has a Ranch called Ranch Milagro and he has two house boys that walk around in thongs"". He asked me not to write about it but later relented. I trust you will verify the litigation? Michael Sullivan Federal Prosecutor in Boston was his attorney while at the same time employed as the head federal prosecutor of Mass. Gracida has been accused of the innappropriate conduct with children. It was paid off through the ""JEWISH"" network via Leshin. A house supposedly the victim is buying from a buffer then is paid off 5 years later. Ask Mr Leshin and watch him react?

Tell him Jaime tipped you off.
curmudgeon
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A gay priest . . .
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. . . imagine that! I only picked out one factual inconsistancy in the little borrowed history. Bishop Gracida was not a bomber pilot. He was in fact a flight engineer, a staff sergeant on a B17 and flew combat missions.
Jaime Kenedeno
Posts: 800

Is there a link where it
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can be verified or some way of corroborating. Not that I dont take your word for it; but you know how these guys are?
Jaime Kenedeno
Posts: 800

Re: Re: Re: hERE IS A LITTLE BACKGROUND TO GET YOUR FEET WET KIRT!
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History reveals to us that Francis Cardinal Spellman ordered the hit on JFK! Who is Spellman? In New York, the Vatican Intelligence ''special division'' is directed by Cardinal Spellman. Cardinal Spellman is directly connected to J Peter Grace and Cardinal Bernard Law (Boston Diocese Pedophile). Why would Spellman want Kennedy dead? The King Ranch owned the Ranch in Mexico where the Campfire Boys trained as sharpshooters. Oswald as well as the whole team of assassins that killed JFK trained there. Now the King Ranch owned land in Cuba that was taken away when Castro ascended to power. Not only this; they are the force behind LBJ’s ascension to the Oval office.

read it all at the link below?

http://laparra.blogspot.com/2005/04/cisneros-i-am-watching.html
kirt
Posts: 1061
Re: Re: Re: Re: hERE IS A LITTLE BACKGROUND TO GET YOUR FEET WET KIRT!
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This tema is sure starting to cover a lot of ground - from houseboys in thongs to Cardinal Spellman ordering the hit on JFK. Jaime, anybody can say anything on a blog. As far as Gracida''s property holdings are concerned (and these appear verified by the public sources you have cited), they strike me as fairly modest - a bungalo, a small ranch and a few rentals. I don''t think Donald Trump need look to his laurels. And bishops, unless they belong to religious orders, do not take a vow of poverty. Again, where is the evidence of wrong-doing?
Jaime Kenedeno
Posts: 800

Hey dude the info is not on a blog! Check out who J Peter Grace is...
11/9/2005 12:38:22 AM

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and this is not a blog. This is a very influential brand of MEDIA in South Texas.

""Again, where is the evidence of wrong-doing?""

Call Richard Hatch?

An audit oughta do the trick?

I will give it to KFATSO; they really know how to umbrella the umbrellas of the umbrellas!

Like demonstrated by the vast reach of the last post this wrongdoing is far too elaborate to explain cogently. I also refuse to give them a roadmap and allow them to prepare.

Have you heard of Gracida Metallurgical? I think that is the name.

""WRONGDOING""??? Is it not oxymoronish to be a man of the cloth and be GAY? According to the Church Universal? Not criminal you say? OK how about covering up the rape of children? How about conducting innappropriate conduct with children and causing injury to them?

OK then money, you say and I will concur with you with respect to, ""And bishops, unless they belong to religious orders, do not take a vow of poverty"". But when was this implemented? You can ask around about the corruptedness of Gracida. How did he get his property? Do you know Rancho Milagro is advertised on the WWW as a bed & breakfast for gay couples? Name Changer now. Well,.... anyway I have already legitimized more than enough. I am not trying to bash, but I am forcing accountability. I have conducted extensive research in this area. This Foundation is fruit of a ""poison tree"".

Also, I find it peculiar you would stand up for such an avid Bush supporter as Gracida. You do know he required & actively campaigned for all Catholics to vote Republican. You know what else I find peculiar? I find it peculiar that Jews advocate for the Church Universal. Most peculiar I find how & why a Jew can, would and does reside in the Body of Christ. My Boss is a Jewish Carpenter. So the Jew I speak of; is not the DNA but, is the spirit that crucified our LORD!

What were you taught about Mary Magdalene?

Ask the old Catholics what they were taught?

Now, when did they retract the slanderous doctrine?

Do you know what the Corpus Christianorum is?
kirt
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Re: Hey dude the info is not on a blog! Check out who J Peter Grace is...
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Jaime, Jaime, Jaime - yes I am aware that Bishop Gracida is a strong supporter of Bush and the Republicans and for this I fault him. But these are his views as a private citizen and have nothing to do with his ecclesial status or service on the board of the Kenedy foundation. But you say that he is gay and covers up the rape of children? Didn''t you ever learn in catechism class that slander is a sin?

I don''t know about wrongdoing, but something here is ""far too elaborate to explain cogently"", since you haven''t given a cogent explanation yet. And all this stuff about Jews and Mary Magdalene - I just don''t know what you''re talking about. Does anybody?
Jaime Kenedeno
Posts: 800

Huh?????? I cant........
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understand you?????

Kirt you gotta lot of homework to do. Better get busy?

Come to think of it;.... why dont you try reading it on your porch?

http://ericvonwade.com/community/display.asp?post_id=27448&board=1&board_name=General

I understand the Fernandez' will be on Air America Talk Radio 1150 AM....

2006-05-04T19:02:00.000-07:00

on Saturday May 6,2006 with John Kelley

Be sure to call in and remind them who put the Fernandez Cause on the Map.

the Fernandez cause has no spirit without the support of South Texas.

They need us.

They need El Defenzor!

But most of all they need South Texas!

All I can say is, Mr Kelley should do some Homework in preparation for this interview.

Are they willing to put it in writing?

2006-04-22T17:36:00.000-07:00

How is Jaime . . .

Posted on April 22, 2006 at 09:49:31 AM
by El Vato Sabio

. . . aka Anton related to the Fernandezes? Ain't Mrs. Fernandez's maiden name Stacey and ain't Anton's last name Stacey. Could it be that ole Anton was trying to cash in on the Kenedy estate windfall? Fill us in Anton. This will give you something to rave about beside black helicopters.

I discovered El Defenzor message board; that, I believed was a GODsend

Posted on April 22, 2006 at 05:52:43 PM

by dannoynted1
dannoynted1 Posts: 159

Ouch! Excerpt from the book soon to be published
8/18/2005 3:58 AM --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I am so disgusted because I have to write this stupid book about this whore from HELL! I wasted the past eight months of my life researching and investigating any and all information that pertained to the current Texas Supreme Court case pending in the most corporate loving court of judges you'd love to call your “friends”. I was appealing a conviction that the latest opinion self explains the jist of my battle since fall of 1999. When I discovered El Defenzor message board; that, I believed was a GODsend; at the time when I really needed a miracle. Well, I and Jaime were advocating the David’s while fighting the plethora of Goliaths, which ironically.... turns out to be the ones we helped as our Collateral Attack forced the goliaths to unite. I posted a message on the kenedyranch.net message board that basically stated that at the very least, if in fact Mr. Fernandez’s mother was a biological offspring of John G. Kenedy, Jr. she was entitled to back child support that legally would have been court ordered in this current legal climate. Not long after I received this e-mail:

From : Sent : Monday, June 7, 2004 7:00 PM To : dannoynted1@hotmail.com Subject : posting on Defenzor website -- the Kenedy Ranch Family issue Fernandez ... Inbox The Ferenandez family -- Ray & Marie -- who are suiting the Kenedy Ranch were very impressed by your knowledge in the matter. They really need you input on things.... Can u call me at El defenzor (Homero) -- my cell: (361) 947-xxxx or the Fernandez Family (Marie or Ray) at (361) 242 - 3073

Well you can imagine the joy at receiving this opportunity that little did I know would lead to my sitting here now and determined to tell how I “hustled a lot of people” in good faith! When I realized how every post I posted on the message board was considered “a hustle” to those I believed were “Davids”! “Hey I never said I was going to help yall with Christmas, yall hustle a lot of people” Marie stated in no uncertain terms. Full of righteous indignation, self satisfication and with reckless disregard at Christmas. “I left yawl forty dollars and some presents and I told you I was not going to be available” Well if this ho from hell would have not said she was “going to help us out with Christmas”; I would not have been lead to believe I was going to be secure for the job I just accomplished. I am quite sure that the AKA “Marie Fernandez” (who claims she wants “lineage”) name is not Marie I am sure that she has used several alias that change as quick as she ruins the name!?! I don’t think we should bother with trying to find out who she actually really is, since she should already know... and there are oh so more, than I thought. Talk about fraud! Initial meeting: she called Ray to have him join us he asked if we knew B well I was unaware F had a brother named B much less that they knew. Ray stated that another lady raised his mother (Ann Fernandez) in Kingsville other than her mother (Mary Rowland). When we met her at “On the Border” the president of “CULLEN / FROST BANK” Mike Carrell showed up after we were seated. Marie was already talking about the Banks and I asked her if she knew who he was when he appeared. I knew who he was! I am an avid reader of our local papers society pages which he and his are a regular. Marie did not believe me, when I informed her who he was. So I said “I will introduce you to him” cuz I knew it was him. I walked up to him after we came out of the bathroom “Mr Carrell, may I introduce Mrs. Marie Fernandez! The Perfect gentleman, immediately, he stood as did the two other gentlemen at the table. Greetings were exchanged as JJ Gotchow (of Whataburger Field) and another whose name I cannot recall! Mr Carrell asked my name and I told them we were just wanting to introduce ourselves since we intended to be a presence in their immediate future. I should have known when I got so sick after that she was no good! Well, I needed an endeavor that would take my mind off of my legal odyssey that had forced me to learn all I could about the law where it pertained to my case. At this time, I was unaware that this person was somebody who changes names as easily as we change socks. Insert e-mail:

From : Sent : Thursday, June 10, 2004 3:58 PM To : dannoynted1@hotmail.com Subject : Re: Last one for now Fernandez ... Inbox WOW!! THATS A LOT TO SWALLOW! thank you for you messages of support on our board and the defenzor board. keep it up it will help us get the word out. I think the calvary is coming on board to help. it's about time. Thanks to God The next time I met her I was hoping to go to Rivera but sixty dollars did not cover expenses not to mention the time and effort Although I had not met Ann, I believed I was not stupid for believing in the “seeking of justice" for Ann Fernandez. No one in our network trusted the Fernandez' and they told us we were being used! But our network now knows (that) I know that Ann Fernandez'& all unknown & known heirs as well as unborn legal heirs best interest is not what “Marie” wants. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In a nutshell when YOU work dont you expect to be compensated?

Posted on April 22, 2006 at 05:29:58 PM
by Jaime Kenedeno

Now Comes Plaintiff Anton Haley, Officially Serving Notice on defendants, Ray Fernandez AKA Ray Pena Fernandez AKA Ray Kenedy AKA Nueces County Medical Examiner AKA Coroner, Marie Stacy Fernandez AKA Marie Stacy AKA Mae Stacy AKA Nelly Mae Stacy AKA Mae Marie Fernandez AKA "The Coroner's Wife" AKA The "Medical Examiner's wife" AKA "Ray Fernandez' Spokeswoman" AKA "Medical Examiner's Buffer" and others to be named at a later date, for breach of contract and misrepresentation. Plaintiff asserts that: (1) he entered into a well documented JOINT VENTURE with defendants as an researcher and legal assistant from Jun 2004 to Late Dec 2004; (2) his duties included researching current and potential leads, Online Advocacy, Extensive Historical Research and interviewing witnesses, family members, and other key individuals; (3) in addition to the confidentiality clause, South Texas Committments, a professional level postition, a house, and small acreage Defendants agreed to pay Plaintiff a bonus, contingent upon the successful outcome of the cases on which he performed legal assistance and research services; and (4) the practice of paying bonuses in addition to the above structured compensation was common for Defendants (as stated in advertisements). Plaintiff claims he is owed compensation for the "Fernandez v Kenedy" cases with Bonus remaining until fruition.

Re(1): In a nutshell when YOU work dont you expect to be compensated?

Posted on April 22, 2006 at 05:35:54 PM
by Jaime & dannoynted1

Vatican Chicanery: How Dare the Powers That Be!
Vatican Chicanery: How Dare the Powers That Be!posted on: 11/11/2004 3:21:51 AMIP: 64.219.17.250 Vatican Chicanery: How Dare the Powers That Be!Posted on October 18, 2004 at 09:43:16 PM by JaimeVatican Chicanery: How Dare the Powers That Be!Posted on October 9, 2004 at 09:01:03 PM by JaimeIt is now august 2004, Sarita Kenedy East died in 1961, Elena Suess Kenedy Died in 1984. Two wealthy widows worth between $500 million to $1 billion in a corrupt foundation ill fated from conception. The estates of these two widows has been the subject of several high powered attorney’s manipulations taking what is not theirs. This unending litigation has shown the light on the roaches hiding in the darkness of the Vatican. The beginning starts with a trappist monk who went by the name Brother Leo. Leo befriended Sarita Kenedy in a vulnerable moment after the deaths of her brother the late Power Rancher John G Kenedy Jr. and her husband Arthur East. Leo appeared one day while Sarita and elena were at the grave site of thier loved ones; how convenient. I always have wondered who set this up? Leo wisp Sarita up and away from her La Parra home; traveling throughout the world with the widow as her spiritual adviser.Sarita Kenedy East had a will dated 1948 that would become usurped during the last year of her life. Shortly after World War II, documents show, Leo was called to duty by his Trappist monastery in Spencer Massachusetts. He was directed to set aside his cobbler’s tools and dispatched “into the world” to raise funds for the order’s building program. Leo soon intersected paths with a New yorker J. Peter Grace, multimillionaire and president of W R Grace & Co., whose opulent contributions to Catholic causes have earned him a papal Knighthood and honorary degrees from numerous Catholic Universities. Grace pointed Leo to the Great State of Texas where “several wealthy Catholics might be induced to support the order’s expansion plans in the Southwest”. It seems Sarita was Leo’s only mark. Sarita was no match for the Monk who had just been released from his vows of silence along with other vows.Court Records demonstrate the chicanery involved in obtaining the “Pot Of Gold”. Brother Leo in harmony with Peter Grace and his entourage of accountant’s and attorneys advised Mrs. East with regard to her finances. In 1960, at the age of 70, Sarita made several significant technical decisions. These decisions were so intricate that she could have never executed them on her own. An account for the Trappists was opened and the artesian well where Brother Leo regularly drew funds (as much as $100000 at a time) was flowing. Grace’s recommended attorneys helped Sarita establish a charitable foundation. This was against the advise of her lifelong friend and Texas attorney Jake (the Snake) Floyd or “Vibora Seca” (Dry Snake) as George Parr referred to him. George Parr was called the Duke of Duval and was the adversary of Mr. Floyd. Parr is significant in the relationship he had with his mexican constituents, the connection to Lyndon B Johnson’s ascent to the White House, And also the GI Forum founded by Dr. Hector Garcia. This will be mentioned later on. In Sarita’s final will she left the bulk of her estate to including the majority of her half of the 400,000 acre La Parra Ranch to the new foundation. A series of six codicils would be added as a countdown to her death ensued. The codicils were the result of various interest vying for control of the Avarice. The first Codicil named the Bishop of Corpus Christi Diocese as the sole member of the foundation. The second included adding her attorney Jake Floyd and her cousin Stella Lytton as foundation members. The third codicil deleted the Bishop and installed Brother Leo, Peter Grace, and Father Patrick Peyton (“Director of the Family Rosary Crusade”. During the same year, while touring Latin America with Brother Leo, Sarita became sick. Leo flew her back to New York where she died of cancer on February 11, 1961. Only days later after Sarita died Leo materialized another document dated less than six weeks before her death. The document named Leo sole member of the foundation! Leo immediately added Peter Grace and two of his henchmen (employees) as members of the foundation. The Texas advisers were excluded. To say they were suspicious is an understatement. This move took over control of the estate. Most Reverend M. S. Garriga, then Bishop of the Corpus Christi Diocese along with others filed suit in Kenedy County Texas alleging Sarita’s last codicil was developed while she was under heavy sedation. Grace immediately called on his friends in the Vatican Hierarchy. In a sequence of letters to Francis Cardinal Spellman, Grace contended that the “church would suffer great scandal” from the ensuing litigation. “the trial will involve attempts to prove that Mrs. East and Brother Leo drank to excess” Grace warned, “ and that Brother Leo imposed his will upon Mrs. East throughout their acquaintanceship”. Furthermore, “the church stood to lose at least $50 million if the Texans won”. Grace then proceeded to fly to the Vatican on numerous occasions to gain the recognition of Vatican officials who preferred to ignore his letters. Finally the Vatican dispatched Archbishop Egidio Vagnozzi, then Apostolic Delegate to the U S, to influence a compromise between the vultures. The Texas Group and the New Yorkers could find no middle ground. Vagnozzi first suggested a resolution favoring Grace, Leo and Peyton was scoffed at by the Texans. The second proposal suggested giving control to the Texans. Grace and the New Yorkers would not hear of it. Frustrated and angered, Vagnozzi tried to leverage Grace with threats of excommunication but Grace would not back down. Again Grace demanded Vatican intervention. He claimed 80% of the foundations funds be retained by the New Yorkers. How in the hell can Texas money end up in New York City? That is like picante sauce made in New York City; like the commercial says “Made in New York City”? “Get a Rope!” Vatican Secretary of State suggested a 75% / 25% split. Pope John XXIII according to court records stated, “the pope can afford to be liberal” when he suggested a 70% / 30% split. No deal. Elle M Mintry http://Defenzor.net http://b4.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?user=defensornews http://kenedyranch.net http://b4.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?&user=kenedyranch3 http://ericvonwade.com http://ericvonwade.com/community/index.asp?board=1&board_name=General http://dannoynted1.blogspot.com/ http://forums.caller.com/cgi-bin/WebX?caller-14@@.ee6d2e3 http://captthreadsters.blogspot.com/ http://laparra.blogspot.com/

Re(2): In a nutshell when YOU work dont you expect to be compensated?
Posted on April 22, 2006 at 05:40:42 PM
by Jaime & dannoynted1
Attorneys and Church: Do the Right Thing
Posted on October 18, 2004 at 09:47:11 PM by JaimeAttorneys and Church: Do the Right ThingPosted on September 16, 2004 at 00:25:29 AM by JaimeDo the Right ThingPosted on September 12, 2004 at 01:01:32 AM by JaimeTo the ones who have the ability to concur and shut this matter down:"Lend me your ears"This litigation is only handing charity funds over to Super Lawyer.If you ignore and resist each other neither the Catholic Church (Vatican) nor the KFAT and not the Fernandez Family! I propose a theory critique it by all means.1) Attorneys out number the parties involved.2) KFAT can only bleed this litigation forever.3) KFAT can make agreements, insinuations, intimidation or easiest of all absorb (erode) the Fernandez foundation (support system).3) When the support erodes alternatives must be considered.4) Must the Fernandez family seek a "loan shark". That is a contingency with the respect to the enormous "Pot of Gold" is "ludicrus".5)Ludicrous - so absurd, ridiculous, or exaggerated as to cause or merit laughter.6) What is only 1% of $500,000,000 to 1,000,000,000. .01*500,000,000= $5,000,000. Contingency by standard is 40%. Almost half of the Fernandez family's settlement before expenses incurred.which means at least one quarter of the KFAT will be handed to "Loan Sharks"7) Then there are the KFAT attorneys fees. Which In my opinion they deserve and earned by doing thier job (DEFENDING THIER CLIENT) to the best of thier ability.8) That is about half of the existing foundation transferred to "Loan Sharks" and Attorneys.9)What about all of the money used to "buy" the Judiciary? MORE of KFAT $$$ TO LAWYERS. The rich get richer.10) Then there is the little intangibles materializing because Shannon Ratliff's (Exxon attorney & employed Loyist for KFAT) Father is Bill Ratliff (Lt. Governor of Texas). and John Vinson is the lead counsel for the intervening State Attorney General and Vinson & Vinson are the top campaign contributors to too many current Justices sitting at the Bench in Austin ( Tx Sup Ct). As are the Super Law Firms representing KFAT.11) Figure the Fernandez litigation is in remission from settlement or Biased bench. Who is still holding the cards? Vinson? Ratliff? Exxon? King Ranch?12) You are being swooped by the King Ranch. They will control.13)If the King Ranch gains more control we lose, the poor lose, the oppressed lose, the hispanic heritage loses. I dont lose to thieves. We will rewrite history correcting the legends of anglo power and blend the anglo version with the other versions suppressed.God Is Watching Over the Body of ChristElle M Mintry http://Defenzor.net http://b4.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?user=defensornews http://kenedyranch.net http://b4.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?&user=kenedyranch3 http://ericvonwade.com http://ericvonwade.com/community/index.asp?board=1&board_name=General http://dannoynted1.blogspot.com/ http://forums.caller.com/cgi-bin/WebX?caller-14@@.ee6d2e3 http://captthreadsters.blogspot.com/ http://laparra.blogspot.com/

Shall I continue
Posted on April 22, 2006 at 05:43:54 PM
by Jaime Kenedeno
Super Lawyers: Loyalty has no price!

replied on: 11/11/2004 3:29:12 AMIP: 64.219.17.250 Super Lawyers: Loyalty has no price!Posted on October 18, 2004 at 09:48:22 PM by JaimeSuper Lawyers: Loyalty has no price!Posted on September 16, 2004 at 00:28:00 AM by JaimeSuper Lawyers: Loyalty has no price!Posted on September 11, 2004 at 11:51:08 PM by JaimeI must commend the KFAT attorneys that continue to fight for thier Client. The steady advocacy for KFAT is unwavering. There is not any amount of money that can buy the loyalty these attorneys display. I must interject; to settle this dispute is not in the interest of the attorneys representing either side. Unless the Fernandez representation has forced (weasled) a contingency fee against the wishes of the family. KFAT attorneys have expediently placed KFAT money in places that (they hope) will produce the desired outcome. These guys know all the right people and all the right moves. None the less I do not use the word defeat in reference to a cause I fight for. The truth will prevail regardless of sell outs and greed. If criminal attorneys would represent clients like KFAT attorneys represent KFAT there would be much less non violent offenders, poor, oppressed, and minorities in prison. Civil litigation should not be an under the table kickback arrangement between opposing attorneys. KFAT Attorneys will never consider flip flopping even though their clients are wrong. They do not let issues like pedophilia and embezzlement stand in the path of "justice" for thier client!Elle M Mintry http://Defenzor.net http://b4.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?user=defensornews http://kenedyranch.net http://b4.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?&user=kenedyranch3 http://ericvonwade.com http://ericvonwade.com/community/index.asp?board=1&board_name=General http://dannoynted1.blogspot.com/ http://forums.caller.com/cgi-bin/WebX?caller-14@@.ee6d2e3 http://captthreadsters.blogspot.com/ http://laparra.blogspot.com/ posted by Jaime Kenedeño @ 12:00 AM

So lemme get this straight . . . Posted on April 22, 2006 at 06:28:25 PM by El Vato Sabio. . . you and Mary Fernandez were conspiring to rip off the Kenedy Foundation and she screwed you over. BWAHAHAHA!!!

With the approval & request of the Nueces County Medical Examiner (Ray Fernandez) who just happens..
Posted on April 22, 2006 at 08:32:03 PM
by Jaime Kenedeno

to be the Grandson of a Powerful South Texas Rancher I advocated for his cause. Consequently, I began to uncover a corruption comparable to Enron. I also exposed the Pedophile Priest who molested children right here in the RICHEST DIOCESE IN THE WORLD. Father Gerry Applebee and Gracida are 2 of the guilty. Patrick Flores is guilty as well. I have documentation of KFATSO's devout impropriety and the love of AVARICE. You know and I know the Church is guilty of all I accuse them of. You also know this foundation with the money and influence from John G Kenedy, the Clebergs and the Armstrongs control our government at the Highest Levels. So yes with El Defenzor and Ray & Marie Fernandez I am working to place the Kenedy Estate in the hands of it's rightful owners. You must remember how Brother Leo came into the Life of Sarita. Form the Dougherty's and Farentholds to the Armstrongs and Elena Suess to a grave of Johnny. But who did Leo recieve his orders from? Peter Grace and the CIA in Liason with Cardinal O'Connor and Cardinal Krol. I have the letters from Grace to the Vatican and back and forth. I have read the letters from Leo to Sarita and back and forth. Sarita bought a pistol set from Ambercrombie and Fitch for her and Leo. The Pinkertons and the Kenedy's go way back.

Re(1): So get this straight . . .
Posted on April 22, 2006 at 07:53:32 PM
by dannoynted1

three other dna holders exist thanx to johnny and his many sperm donations so nelly is the one who loses!
bwahahahahahahaha

Rich folk . . .
Posted on April 22, 2006 at 07:59:55 PM
by El Vato Sabio
. . . have been knockin' out bastards for thousands of years. Why should they start sharing in the estate know? Ole John probably left two bucks on the night stand which was payment in full for services rendered.

Child Support is .....

Posted on April 22, 2006 at 08:09:45 PM

by Jaime

the AG's territory yet he stands with a corrupt foundation who buys his influence. Look at the spoils in the Laguna Madre and the Gracida incident. So all rich folk who pay for sex or otherwise must still pay child support if nothing else. But the relationship was more than that.

Doncha . . .
Posted on April 22, 2006 at 08:18:58 PM
by El Vato Sabio
. . . think she is a little old for child support. As far as the nature of the relationship, didya have a seance with ole John?

You would be surprised...

Posted on April 22, 2006 at 08:34:05 PM
by Jaime Kenedeno

how a little stamp can get people to spill out their most harbored memories

KFATSO & AG: the Kenedy Estate Still Owes Child Support

2006-03-27T22:54:00.000-08:00

Lawyers for the two charitable trusts that control the estate each filed a motion to block Fernandez, who is the Nueces County medical examiner.
"The fact of the matter, judge, is it is too late, too late. This action was filed almost 15 years after the estate had been litigated, after the estate had been closed," Jorge Rangel told Banales. "This comes too late regardless of what is determined by DNA."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/3752214.html

Nueces De La Parra: KFATSO and the Powers that be.

2006-03-23T18:43:00.000-08:00

Nueces De La Parra: KFATSO and the Powers that be.

Kenedy Foundation And Trust Soon Obsolete

2006-01-10T01:12:00.000-08:00

Cisneros: I am watching!Posted on April 22, 2005 at 04:11:40 AM by Jaime

King Ranch is only a name for a clandestine Elite group. Richard King was the King Ranch and then Henrietta. After that was an influx of Nazi war criminals secreted into America by way of South America; The Cleberg name becomes synonymous with the King Ranch. Cleberg or Kleberg? Either way it is a German sir name. Was the original Kleberg a Nazi? What was the grand plan for the King Ranch or was it for all of South Texas? Did the name Clement have anything to do with the Vatican or a Pope? History has portrayed the Scions of South Texas Ranching as honest heroes. How much farther from the truth could this history stray? This history is nothing more than a glorified folk tale! Richard King knew not loyalty to anyone. Not even his partners or his mentor Mifflin Kenedy. Mifflin was smart enough to veer from King after noticing King’s partners would always suffer some misfortunate accident. King acquired his land by many methods including breach of contract, trickery, harassment and Murder. Murder was the most effective method. This is where the Texas Rangers enter stage right. The Rangers were King’s personal enforcers. Led by Major Armstrong these ruthless huge “corn fed” Anglo “lawmen” pillaged, raped & murdered in the name of the State Of Texas. Since then, the Armstrong family not only acquired their own little acreage with a Polo field; they gained “invisible” control of the King Ranch and ascended to high positions of power within our Government. The Armstrong family is closely connected to the Bilderbergers Power Elite. Anne Armstrong is on the powerful elitist National Foreign Relations Committee and sits on the A&M Board of Regents (College Station) along with Guadalupe Rangel. The King Ranch over the years has harbored a craving for the Kenedy land or at least to waste it and use it for their own benefit. Some how, the Armstrong invisibly controls the King Ranch who influences the KFATSO to do the dirty work using Kenedy Land. Let us see if we can connect the dots? JFK was assassinated in Dallas. Oswald was blamed but many shots were fired as evidenced by the many nicks in the curb and vehicle; many bullets were fired and only three shots were heard. Hum? Silencers! History reveals to us that Francis Cardinal Spellman ordered the hit on JFK! Who is Spellman? In New York, the Vatican Intelligence 'special division' is directed by Cardinal Spellman. Cardinal Spellman is directly connected to J Peter Grace and Cardinal Bernard Law (Boston Diocese Pedophile). Why would Spellman want Kennedy dead? The King Ranch owned the Ranch in Mexico where the Campfire Boys trained as sharpshooters. Oswald as well as the whole team of assassins that killed JFK trained there. Now the King Ranch owned land in Cuba that was taken away when Castro ascended to power. Not only this; they are the force behind LBJ’s ascension to the Oval office. At this time before JFK was murdered; Sarita Kenedy East had recently passed and KFATSO would have welcomed a “strong arm” as an advantage. The King Ranch Super-lawyers and political influence were furnished to KFATSO at that time to battle the high & mighty J Peter Grace for control. KFATSO & King Ranch still share the Super lawyers and the influence as they are one except the Kenedy land is always the bait; never King Ranch land or Armstrong land. By the King Ranch lending a “strong arm” to KFATSO a reciprocity had to of occurred. Did Spellman provide the favor? Directly or indirectly, Spellman ordered the hit and in doing so favored the King Ranch? Why would the King Ranch off JFK? First, LBJ was their man and he was so close to the Oval office they could smell it. JFK did not align with the Good ole Boy system that already had plans to overthrow Castro after his changes affected corporate America. Sugar Cane prices went up & several Corporate Ranches were given back to the Cubans. JFK’s refusal to go ahead with the planned invasion did not stop the invasion but many CIA Agents were killed or captured in the Invasion we know as the Bay of Pigs. To Nixon the “Bay of Pigs” is code for the JFK assassination. Water Gate tapes are sealed, as they will reveal the truth? King Ranch & Armstrong are well associated with the CIA as well as Area 51. Friends of the Armstrongs, Bushs, Hunts and Grace were killed because of JFK (as they seen it). Now they are leveraging our Government for favors here in South Texas. It seems as though Marc Cisneros has been dispatched here to deal with the demands. We can see TAMUK has already been absorbed by the King Ranch, as has the entire A&M system? General Cisneros has served up Kenedy land on a platter to bring fruition to promises made a long time ago. Other Federal agencies are exploiting (the vulnerability) the King Ranch blackmail has created? There is a Hubert Boothe Federal power play. The Sam Granato Federal element might be double edged with Cisneros and the Ed Byrne grant out of the WIA and the interaction with Kingsville Naval Air Station as well as his activities with the FBI & DEA. Then we have the Black Helicopters that have been identified as FBI copters. These helicopters are associated with some sort of laser satellite communications systems in underground bunkers. Then we have Suson and the DoD in collaboration with the Betterment hate. The Bettermen are nothing more than noise makers and agitators with a Nazi stench. These guys will not even get invited to the King Ranch for any occasion. Bettermen haters are viewed by the elite as trailer trash and genetically weak (of a “lesser breed of stock”. The Elite will never accept these Nazi haters into their circles. In theory, the King Ranch must possess a operative or puppet in KPD, Kleberg County Sheriffs Department, Commissioners Court, TAMUK, and various other strategical positions. These puppets are the tattle tales when adverse situations to the King Ranch interest arise. King Ranch is Armstrong, Hunt & Exxon but, are they aligned for the long term or short term? Stewart Armstrong is (financially) behind the division of Kingsville and yes; he is connected with the Armstrongs in Kenedy County. Finally, I will refer to the various agencies vying for Grant money control. Whoever wins elected offices will (each) get to control the grant monies. This is why the politics are so dirty & crass. The Love of Avarice and the addiction to power is the reason so much hate is spewed out on the Candidates and their family members. TAMUK is the King Ranch’s research & development supported by huge injections of grant money in the name of Higher Education. The Ed Byrne Grant is the interdiction law enforcement with a military liaison and intelligence. This is being abused on our local citizens to settle personal vendettas of ones in charge. It was legislated for interdiction of terrorists, bombs weapons & threats to National Security but it is primarily used in South Texas to intercept drugs, Marijuana and cash; Cash and vehicles feed the “Town Bosses” addiction to the Power & Avarice. Who are the Puppets? Get rid of them! Cisneros I am watching! Tobin, your blood is still the same old blood that murdered, raped & pillaged South Texas. For this your land will be returned to it’s rightful possessors.