Sunday, October 01, 2006

Kirt gets Harry's Goates and Ape left Wild

MarkyDeSod
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Unexpected Racism Your are currently viewing this message
9/26/2006 10:51:07 PM

The global war on terror is turning out in some respects to be racism against Amercan WASPs in particular. Consider, for example, that the Muslims are not attacking Mexico, for example, and Mexico is mostly Christian too. If you look into the news closely you can spot quite a few of these anomalies - with only one consisten thread amongst them.
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curtis rock
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Re: Unexpected Racism
9/27/2006 12:06:09 AM

What about Israel. Jews are not Protestant, but Islamic followers (Hezbollah) kidnapped 2 Israeli soldiers. Terrorism doesn''t discriminate against race, color, creed, sex, or national origin.
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Maybe . . .
9/27/2006 5:47:51 AM

. . . it is because Mexico didn''t invade a raghead country.
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Re: Maybe . . .
9/27/2006 6:01:05 AM

I don''t recall Spain or France invading Iraq. That doesn''t quite fit the bill now does it Curm?
kirt
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Is this the onset of Alzheimer''s, Ape?
9/27/2006 6:26:25 AM

""I don''t recall Spain or France invading Iraq. That doesn''t quite fit the bill now does it Curm?"" - the Ape

In fact Spain did invade Iraq and the Spanish Prime Minister appeared quite prominently with Boy Bush and Boy Blair at the time of the invasion. I believe Spain also has troops in Afghanistan, as does France.
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Re: Is this the onset of Alzheimer''s, Ape?
9/28/2006 6:55:08 AM

I''m surprised the Punk Pope hasn''t sent in forces. He is still occupying Jerusalem isn''t he?

Denmark paratrooped in those nasty cartoons. I guess your right. They totally had it coming.
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Both Spain and France . . .
9/27/2006 7:39:07 AM

. . . are about 3,000 miles closer to the Middle East, have large Muslim populations and long histories of colonialism in the Middle East.
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Re: Unexpected Racism
9/27/2006 7:02:36 AM

spain pulled their troops after the change of the government. You know, 3 days before the election, madrid train bombing? They surrendered faster than even the French.
On other topic of racism amd terrorism, way more muslims have been killed than any other ethnic group. The theory doesn''t hold water, i''m afraid.
kirt
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Re: Re: Unexpected Racism
9/27/2006 7:25:39 AM

That kind of makes Curmudgeon''s point, doesn''t it, Coyote? Spain helps the US invade, gets bombed in retaliation and pulls out. Mexico, on the other hand, has not sent troops to Iraq or Afghanistan and has been left alone.
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Re: Re: Re: Unexpected Racism
9/27/2006 9:08:10 PM

But, Mexico has been making life very difficult for America lately, yes? That is why they are left alone. It is something else other than just religion. It isn''t that we invaded Iraq, this started way way way before that. Like the late 70''s. It isn''t increasing because we fought back, it was already increasing even when we were doing nothing.
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9/28/2006 12:47:07 AM

The US overthrew the government of Iran in 1953. Not unreasonably the Iranians did not look at this as the US ""doing nothing"" and regarded their own revolution in the late ''70s as taking back their country from a US puppet regime. The US invaded Lebanon in the 1950s and again in the 1980s and took sides in Lebanese civil wars which were none of the business of the this country. The US attacked Iran in 1988 and Iraq in 1991, inserting itself into quarrels in the region which also were really none of the US business. It then continued bombardment of Iraq throughout the 1990s and into the new millenium as well as starvation sanctions which killed half a million Iraqi children. When exactly in the post WWII period was the US ever ""doing nothing"" in the Middle East? And this is without even mentioning the US arming and supporting of Israel beginning in the aftermath of the 1967 war which has led the other peoples of the region to conclude (again not unreasonably) that Israel has complete US sanction for all its own wars and conquests in the region.
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9/28/2006 7:00:49 AM

You''ve captured what is wrong with the middle east in the first place. Now we can expect retalliations for the next ten thousand years.

The US did NOT attack Iran in 1988. That is a LIE. Iran mined international waters and the USS Samuel B Roberts was hit. We retaliated and sank their navy and took away their mine laying capabilities.

The more you talk qwirt the more I like ''American Imperialism''.
kirt
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9/28/2006 7:18:37 AM

The Iranians began their mining after the US started sinking their warships and destroying oil platforms. Prior to this, the Iranian navy had the edge over the Iraqis in the Gulf and didn''t need to use mines. The US intervention had been triggered by an IRAQI missile attack on a US warship which was clearly designed to sink the ship and blame the loss on the Iranians. As it was, the ship didn''t sink, the Iraqis were clearly identified as the culprits and the US entered the war on their side anyway.

And of course the US provided Iraq with chemicals to make poison gas to use against the Iranians and their Kurdish allies and shot down an Iranian civilian jetliner off the coast of Iran, killing hundreds of innocent people. Ain''t US imperialism wonderful? The bodies just keep piling up.
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The bigger the pile . . .
9/28/2006 8:05:33 AM

. . . of raghead bodies the better.
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9/28/2006 9:00:15 PM

WRONG. I was there asshole. They were sank AFTER not before and they violated international law PERIOD.

I''m done with your filthy lying ass.

I''m glad we sent them to hell too.

kirt
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9/29/2006 12:14:12 AM

Not surprised you were were there, Ape.
Shooting down unarmed civilian airliners and slaughtering innocent civilians is about your cowardly, sociopathic level. Of course, since you''re not God, you can''t be sure you sent them to hell, but it''s the vicious thought and wish that exposes the evil of your character. Fits in well with your rejoicing over the killing of ""Nazi babies"" at Dresden. What a repulsive piece of work you are.
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9/29/2006 4:31:39 AM

I was part of Operation Preying Mantis. We sank the two frigates and the troop transport they used to lay the mines. Those butchers were far from innocent. They had shot up unarmed merchants several days before. You should have seen charred bodies the Iranians left behind. I didn''t shoot down the airliner.

This also spells out your ignorance. The Iranians frequently placed their jets beside airliners until they found a sea target then dove down to pick the target. They used airliners as human shields. The Captain of the USS Vicennes had to make a split decision to either protect his crew or blast that airliner. That airliner when off track when it never should have. It had no reason to veer off course. There was every reason to believe this was an attack. But then you applaud the use of hostages and civilians as shields. Those Iranians used irresponsible tactics. That is no different than that gunman who went in the school and used hostages to protect himself. There is no difference.

As for Dresden, the issue is too complicated and you took me out of context (what a surprise). Destroying the workforce was a strategy of that war at that time.

You are the guy who called the Viet Nam vets baby killers. You are the kind that applauds evil then goes to the church pew to be seen. You don''t need God, you want an audience.

What a repulsive piece of shit you are.
kirt
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9/29/2006 6:43:52 AM

The US reflagged Kuwaiti tankers following an IRAQI attack on a US warship in order to enable Iraq to continue to export its oil to finance its war effort (Kuwait along with the US were Saddam''s allies) while giving Iraq a free hand to attack Iranian tankers and facilities. I''m sure Saddam appreciated your efforts on his behalf.

This is a perfect example of the US interfering in someone else''s war, and the payback was getting to fight two wars against Iraq ourselves, the second still on-going, with the loss of thousands of American lives, and the maiming of tens of thousands of Americans. Of course, as far as you are concerned, you don''t care if this goes on indefinitely - any number of American lives are worth it to you as long as Iraqis are being killed.

Contrary to your lie, the Iranian airliner shot down was a scheduled flight that was on course. The human shield argument is simply the standard US excuse for its standard slaughter of civilians in war. This replaces the excuse of ""destroying the workforce"" - in other words, killing innocent civilians and their children, including infants. Glad you put your remark about ""Nazi babies"" in context for me, Ape. Still sounds like you approve of baby-killing, which is the standard strategy of the US regime both here and abroad (note its use of abortion), but why am I not surprised, Ape? Bloodshed and slaughter are what turn you on; I believe you''ve referred to it as your ""warrior spirit"".
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9/29/2006 7:59:05 AM

These are sources that show what happened during Operation Preying Mantis.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/praying_mantis.htm

http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1147329

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis

In each, which include one of your blame America first sources they say the same thing I said and counter what you have to say. The Iranians were attacking neutral shipping, not just Kuwaiti (against international maritime law) and mined international waters with untethered mines (both clearly against international law) The Roberts was struck by a mine (an act of war) on April 14, 1988. The Iranian Navy was sunk between April 17 and 18, 1988. The mines were verified to belong to Iran and from the Iranian ship.

""The attack by the U.S. helped pressure Iran to agree to a ceasefire with Iraq later that summer, ending the eight-year conflict between the Persian Gulf neighbors""

This may be hard for you to understand but instead of perpetuating the war it ended up ending it. I guess that blows your theory that we were trying to stoke the war machine and keep Saddam and Iran killing each other.

You need to change your Depends old man. It is so full it has backed up the flow and is spewing out your mouth.

As for my ''baby killing warrior spirit'', I''m laughing because you are a member of the club too buddy. When you applaud terrorists blowing up schoolyards and beheading innocents and using people as shields you join my ranks. How does it feel to be a fellow member? Doesn''t that kinda go against your sainthood aspirations?

Maybe you''ll be the patron saint of hippocrites. You''ll have my vote. Or if they have a catagory for liars I will certainly back you. It is the least thing a fellow baby killing supporter can do for a fellow team member.


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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Unexpected Racism
9/29/2006 8:46:47 AM

The Wikipedia article on Operation Ernest Will provides several instances of US attacks on Iranian ships or facilities prior to the Roberts incident. I don''t deny that the Iranians were violating international law. So was Iraq, but on a much larger scale. So was Iraq''s ally, the US, on a larger scale. My argument was that involvement in the war between Iran and Iraq was not the business of the US.

Now let''s examine some of your other lies. I never stated that the object of the US intervention on behalf of Iraq was to keep the war going, but rather to prevent Iran from winning a war in which they had been the victim of American sponsored Iraqi aggression. Saddam won; your mission was accomplished, Ape.

I never have applauded terrorists for blowing up schoolyards, beheading innocents, or using people as shields. These are your usual lies and you cannot produce one instance where I have. I know that ""Nazi babies"" remark of yours kind of comes back to haunt you, but as I have often said, once you say something in this foro, it''s documented.

You can''t come up with any quote of mine applauding terrorists because I have never said or written any. If I favored terrorism, I''d be Bush''s number one supporter.
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Let''s get this straight kirt....
9/29/2006 8:24:50 PM

First of all you have me confused with someone of great power and influence. Go to the topic where it talks about ""The most influential and powerful people of Corpus Christi"" Now where will you find Ape, WildApe, Baby Killing Ape, or Nazi Baby Killing Ape or my real name. So why do you bother bugging me. I could no more change policy even if I desired to than you can. Who you need to see is someone of influence.

For instance there was a judge in the Ninth District Court of Appeals who with a stroke of a pen declared Anwar off limits to oil exploration until an environmental study can be filled.

How many lives will be lost in your precious war during the delay that it takes to get us off the dependence of foreign oil? And you waste your time on energy on me about a war that is nearly two decades old?

Oil is what got us into this then and what got us into this now. We are mired in oil. Now I know that you would like to rut in the gutter in the mud like the rest of your anti American crowd but some of us would like not to starve, freeze, or die.

As for applauding terrorists doing all their antics you seem very lopsided in your ''even handedness''. You blanketly state that our solgiers are murderers and thugs. Not ''there are some murderers and rapists and bad guys in our ranks'' because I would agree that there are. You blanket that statement and you say that it is policy. That pisses me off because it is neither true nor accurate. Tell me, did you gut babies and villages in Viet Nam? Are you to blame for that?

There is the clear distinction between you and I in that I think this country is morally based and generally good. I don''t think that we are pure but by and large I think we are good.

You think this country is bad. You say it is evil and ruthless and should be ended. I''ve yet to see any balance in your statements. According to you the whole Army is out there raping pillaging and plundering. If not state the truth and I''ll GLADLY back off. Don''t paint the whole group with a broad brush.

Show quotes? Why? BlindBob, Sidewalk, Harry, and myself have all roasted you in your own words and quoted all this. Let me explain this to you and I want it to sink in. You are not worth my time. It is not your message. It is you. Go bother someone with influence. Go ponder your on your soul. Listen to the Pope who says ""extremists are ruining the world"". Play with your grand children.

As for me, I''m outta here. I''m going to go spend time with people FAR more deserving than you.
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Re: Let''s get this straight kirt....
9/30/2006 12:17:42 AM

""As for me, I''m outta here. I''m going to go spend time with people FAR more deserving than you."" - the Ape

Promises, promises. I''ve heard all that before from you, Ape. Let''s see if you can keep your word this time. I doubt it.
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Re: Re: Let''s get this straight kirt....
9/30/2006 6:42:27 AM

Its not a promise jackass. I''m weighing the value of the time and energy spent blogging with a lunatic or playing with my dog. Actually I''m also thinking I value cleaning a cat box more than anything having to do with you. You are not going to drive me from the forum. You are just a fat twisted old clown that likes to spin people up. Go protest your worthless life.
kirt
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Re: Re: Re: Let''s get this straight kirt....
9/30/2006 7:51:32 AM

I knew you wouldn''t be able to resist the obsession, Ape.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Let''s get this straight kirt....
9/30/2006 5:28:18 PM

So it has passed from a promise (I never made) to an obsession eh?

That''s not it at all kirt. I just don''t like bullies. You''ve been here for months and have only repelled me.

Funny thing but Sidewalk, texwrites, Elwood, and Republic69 have had more sucess bringing me to their cause than you have. I''ve locked horns with each one of these men and yet have changed my views or held them in higher respect. You I find lacking.

I think it is because you are not here to convince but to vent. I think your motives are plain.

Well, I gotta go. I''ve noticed that my dog needs a walk. I''d rather spend time with her than with you. You give dogs a bad rap. I happen to know that they all aren''t bad.